Firearms. What you got and are wishing for?

Start · Dec 25, 2014

Kyvinaria said: ↑

They're good first firearms. A bit punishing at first if you're small framed or have boney shoulders, nothing you won't get used to. Cheap to feed too. If you get a really cheap one be prepared to become intimate friends with the substance known as Cosmoline...
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Had to look up Cosmoline.. Sounds and looks delicious..

logitech · Dec 26, 2014

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How much does it cost for a 551?
And no offense but I've always considered the 556 as an heresy what did they have in mind when creating this gun
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A genuine 551 parts kit (with disabled upper receiver) will set you back nearly $2000USD. The last complete rifle I saw went for $5500USD.

Here's one sitting at $3500USD and still hasn't met reserve: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=459692728

DrCervixxx · Feb 17, 2015

I feel the same of my old mauser.. it's beautiful to look upon, the action is a joy to cycle, the sights are wonderful and the trigger is a tactile, clockwork joy... And then the firing pin hits the primer and it suddenly goes from a hand crafted work of art to a rabid animal trying to dislocate your shoulder.

scalie · Feb 17, 2015

not much of one for guns, I'm more into knives, but if I were to get a handgun non-self defense I'd get a P99 double action or a colt m1911 since I like the look and they're pretty customizable aesthetically

DrCervixxx · Feb 17, 2015

I believe you- my mauser is further shortened via gunsmith and chambered in 30.06.

But judging from this pic, the comparison should still be in the same unpleasant ballpark.

DrCervixxx · Feb 21, 2015

6.5x52... Is that the Swedish mauser cartridge, or the Arisaka? I've heard really good things about the trajectory of the Swedish mauser, I can geek out about ballistics for days..I didn't know they measured recoil in ft/lbs, how did I not know that? Can't you get old surplus 400 round tins of the 8mm ammo for $300 I know some of the mauser/mosin ammo still sells for around $.50 a round or less in the states if you buy it in bulk.

Yes it is sporterized, but it was converted in the late 60's or early 70's as best as I can tell, so it still looks rather classy. it has a really neat windage/elevation adjustsight peep sight, and the end of the barrel has this gorgeous, possibly hand made piece on it that I get a huge kick out of, it reminds me slightly of a flared Chance, and the medial ring mid barrel doesn't do anything to discourage the resemblance.

Are you going to keep the Nazi ammo? I'd probably keep a box just because and sell the rest to fund more toys!

zeta · Aug 21, 2015

I just dropped 90 bucks on a pair of fnx mags for my carry pistol

MurphyAlter · Oct 17, 2015

Kyvinaria said: ↑

Resurrecting the thread yet again!

This time I have a very, very rare turn-of-the-century Shotgun to show off!

This a Sjögren semi-automatic shotgun, in 12 gauge. These were designed by a Swedish fellow in the early 1900's, though he had the actual guns made in Denmark, specifically in Copenhagen. They were produced for 1 year, around 1909, with a few thousand (Some say 5000) being built in total. The actual numbers are not known, but have been extrapolated from existing serial numbers. Overall, it doesn't seem to have been all that successful, which is not surprising given attitudes of the day on Semi-automatic firearms, in addition to what this thing must have cost when new.

I've seen some talk of this being the first semi-automatic shotgun on the market, but I'm not convinced that's actually true. The Browning Auto-5 was allegedly on the market 7 years before this...but I'm really not sure. The Sjögren looks kind of fragile, but is quite well put together. It's delicate, but not flimsy. It's also much lighter and handier than you'd think!

Some basic specifications! This shot gun is chambered in 12 gauge, but in 2 1/2" shells (these were common at the time). It has a 4 round tubular magazine, a 27.5" smoothbore barrel, and a full choke. You have 2 safeties, on the slide and on the tang. This Sjögren has a very good bore with minor pits. Mine is in fulll working order.

Loading and using the Sjögren is a bit weird as well. To open the slide, you need to spin the knob on the back of it. This cocks the striker. Now the slide can be brought to the rear (it locks open on an empty magazine). You then put a shell in the chamber. Pressing a button on the bottom of the gun sends the slide forward (with considerable force. I now have a nice hole in my thumb from the time it got in the way), and it's now ready to fire. You then load 4 more shells into the tube magazine, like you would any other shotgun.

The Sjögren is a fascinating firearm from a mechanical aspect. It uses an esoteric method of operation, called an "Inertia Recoil" system. It's somewhat difficult to describe! Despite having taken my Sjögren completely to pieces, I still only have a vague idea of how it actually works. Check the spoiler below if you want to hear the current theory. Oh, and not to worry. The slide on top looks scary, coming back at your face, but is actually mounted very securely. Ten or so parts would have break at the same time for it to fly off (and if they broke in any other order, it would lock everything up).

The first thing to understand is that the Sjögren has an unusual bolt/breechblock/slide relationship. Under that slide, in the front, is the breechblock/bolt, and locking block. Behind these are the recoil block, firing pin, sear, and 2 springs (one of which is incredibly strong (but not actually drawn back by the user, so you'd never know it was even there). Covering all this is the actual slide. Assembled, the slide and components weigh around 1 1/2 pounds (!).

The bolt is locked with a tilting block, which interfaces with 2 locking recesses in the receiver. It's a rather strange system, as the whole thing is only sort of locked when the striker is cocked. When the firing pin flies forward to hit the primer, it does some...things...inside the bolt and locks the whole thing together. The recoil of the shell firing throws the whole gun back, with the bolt trying to go backward. This is retarded by the recoil block, which actually goes forward somewhat. After a certain, magic, point is reached, the recoil block is overcome, allowing the slide and bolt to come back (now that the chamber pressure is safe) to eject the spent shell and load a new one. I think. This is as best as I can tell and seems to line up with other information I've read.

I'm of the opinion that Carl Sjögren came up with this "Inertia Recoil" idea, and then designed a firearm around it. Having seen the intricate internal operation, this was not made as an answer to some need or contract; it strikes me as an Engineer and Inventors pet project. Why it was actually built in numbers probably had to do with the time period, as there was only a single other production semi-automatic shotgun on the market at the time. Nothing seems to be known about
Carl Sjögren, but I speculate he must have had some serious money (I've seen reference to a businessman named A. Karlsson, but can't find any other information about him) to get this into production, or some serious financial backers.

Which brings me to the construction of the gun. It is unbelievably well made. The sheer craftsmanship is incredible! The receiver, for example, is machined from a single block of steel, and has very complicated shapes internally and externally (I looked it over in detail, as I'd assumed some of it was brazed or cast or the like, yet none is). The fit and finish on the parts is exquisite; my example has been heavily used (given how filthy the action is), but the internal parts show only the barest hint of mechanical wear. The exterior finish is worn, but the parts are still true. The machining and metalwork that it took to make this is pure insanity, and I cannot fathom what it must have cost just to make even a single gun.

I haven't had the chance to fire it yet, as I've got to make up some 2 1/2" shells (which you can't really buy anymore). Hopefully once I do, I won't blow my face off!
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I like how simple the design is.

MurphyAlter · Oct 17, 2015

Kyvinaria said: ↑

It only looks kinda simple. It's a complex mechanical work of art on the inside. Carl Sjögren was a madman
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I meant the aesthetic part of the design. Mechanical guts are out of my paygrade.

zeta · Oct 17, 2015

Kyvinaria said: ↑

It only looks kinda simple. It's a complex mechanical work of art on the inside. Carl Sjögren was a madman
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Like my auto5 looks simple but the FN engineers were a bit crazy

Robert Thompson · Oct 18, 2015

Kyvinaria said: ↑

Resurrecting the thread yet again!

This time I have a very, very rare turn-of-the-century Shotgun to show off!

This a Sjögren semi-automatic shotgun, in 12 gauge. These were designed by a Swedish fellow in the early 1900's, though he had the actual guns made in Denmark, specifically in Copenhagen. They were produced for 1 year, around 1908-1909 (some say they were ordered in 1907), with a few thousand (Some say 5000) being built in total. The actual numbers are not known, but have been extrapolated from existing serial numbers. Overall, it doesn't seem to have been all that successful, which is not surprising given attitudes of the day on Semi-automatic firearms, in addition to what this thing must have cost when new.

I've seen some talk of this being the first semi-automatic shotgun on the market, but I'm not convinced that's actually true. The Browning Auto-5 was allegedly on the market 7 years before this...but I'm really not sure. The Sjögren looks kind of fragile, but is quite well put together. It's delicate, but not flimsy. It's also much lighter and handier than you'd think!

Some basic specifications! This shot gun is chambered in 12 gauge, but in 2 1/2" shells (these were common at the time). It has a 4 round tubular magazine, a 27.5" smoothbore barrel, and a 3/4 or full choke. You have 2 safeties, on the slide and on the tang. This Sjögren has a very good bore with minor pits. Mine is in fulll working order.

Loading and using the Sjögren is a bit weird as well. To open the slide, you need to spin the knob on the back of it. This cocks the striker. Now the slide can be brought to the rear (it locks open on an empty magazine). You then put a shell in the chamber. Pressing a button on the bottom of the gun sends the slide forward (with considerable force. I now have a nice hole in my thumb from the time it got in the way), and it's now ready to fire. You then load 4 more shells into the tube magazine, like you would any other shotgun. A little quirk is that the last-round-hold-open is actually tripped every time the bolt travels to the rear, at which point a shell is released from the magazine, hitting a lever which releases the lifter and bolt.

The Sjögren is a fascinating firearm from a mechanical aspect. It uses an esoteric method of operation, called an "Inertia Recoil" system. It's somewhat difficult to describe! Despite having taken my Sjögren completely to pieces, I still only have a vague idea of how it actually works. Check the spoiler below if you want to hear the current theory. Oh, and not to worry. The slide on top looks scary, coming back at your face, but is actually mounted very securely. Ten or so parts would have break at the same time for it to fly off (and if they broke in any other order, it would lock everything up).

Disassembly was quite difficult. A friend and I sat down and took it to pieces one evening. Since there no manuals, we had to guess on a lot of steps. Turns out we did it WRONG the first time around, and spent the better part of 2 hours getting it back together, before tearing it down again the right way....which still takes about 10 minutes. Mine is very very dirty, and I can understand the previous owner's trepidation in taking it apart

The first thing to understand is that the Sjögren has an unusual bolt/breechblock/slide relationship. Under that slide, in the front, is the breechblock/bolt, and locking block. Behind these are the recoil block, firing pin, sear, and 2 springs (one of which is incredibly strong (but not actually drawn back by the user, so you'd never know it was even there). Covering all this is the actual slide. Assembled, the slide and components weigh around 1 1/2 pounds (!).

The bolt is locked with a tilting block, which interfaces with 2 locking recesses in the receiver. It's a rather strange system, as the whole thing is only sort of locked when the striker is cocked. When the firing pin flies forward to hit the primer, it does some...things...inside the bolt and locks the whole thing together. The recoil of the shell firing throws the whole gun back, with the bolt trying to go backward. This is retarded by the recoil block, which actually goes forward somewhat. After a certain, magic, point is reached, the recoil block is overcome, allowing the slide and bolt to come back (now that the chamber pressure is safe) to eject the spent shell and load a new one. I think. This is as best as I can tell and seems to line up with other information I've read.

I'm of the opinion that Carl Sjögren came up with this "Inertia Recoil" idea, and then designed a firearm around it. Having seen the intricate internal operation, this was not made as an answer to some need or contract; it strikes me as an Engineer and Inventors pet project. Why it was actually built in numbers probably had to do with the time period, as there was only a single other production semi-automatic shotgun on the market at the time. Nothing seems to be known about
Carl Sjögren, but I speculate he must have had some serious money (I've seen reference to a businessman named A. Karlsson, but can't find any other information about him) to get this into production, or some serious financial backers.

Which brings me to the construction of the gun. It is unbelievably well made. The sheer craftsmanship is incredible! The receiver, for example, is machined from a single block of steel, and has very complicated shapes internally and externally (I looked it over in detail, as I'd assumed some of it was brazed or cast or the like, yet none is). The fit and finish on the parts is exquisite; my example has been heavily used (given how filthy the action is), but the internal parts show only the barest hint of mechanical wear. The exterior finish is worn, but the parts are still true. The machining and metalwork that it took to make this is pure insanity, and I cannot fathom what it must have cost just to make even a single gun.

I haven't had the chance to fire it yet, as I've got to make up some 2 1/2" shells (which you can't really buy anymore). Hopefully once I do, I won't blow my face off!
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The engineer side of me wet his pants on the disassembled pic

Robert Thompson · Oct 25, 2015

Last weekend went to a "court day". Picture 3 arce flea market, fair food for a mile long and a quarter mile strech of guns and ammo.

Some of the ammo dealers had speciality ammo. Armor penetrating, explosive, incindenary, flechette, and less than lethal. I bought some LTL rounds for my judge. Fires a 2 oz. rubber ball.
There was a lot of gun deals. Gun control is not an option in the south

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